Html is actually good and it's getting better with Tony Ennis
Tony Ennis joins me to talk about how websites can be built with simplicity and power using new html and browser standards.
================== EPISODE LINKS
Tony on X: https://x.com/tonyennis
Html First: https://html-first.com
Mini JS: https://mini-js.com
Base Styles: https://base-styles.com
Tony's talk at big Sky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aknX6xq8Vfg
Una at Google IO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCIStB6y8s
================== CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro to Tony
00:34 Tony's work at Really Good Software
02:17 "My whole thing though is ..."
05:03 The Platform and a Stylesheet talk
07:18 Html tag list
07:26 Una and the Chrome dev team making progress
09:10 Popovers
11:56 New UI Elements in Html 2023 vs 2025
12:34 Modal
15:48 select with selectedcontent tag
16:27 Multi-selects (they are still bad, but working on it)
16:50 datalist (autocomplete)
20:22 Async in HTML (replacing htmx?)
28:57 Where React is preferred
34:40 The Front-end spectrum -- Mini JS
45:52 Mini-js code example
50:43 Laz on why html is great at UI
52:30 Why a five-year-old can learn html
55:21 Building mobile apps with React Native and webviews
59:50 Server-driven web apps
1:05:45 Base styles (unreleased minimal CSS framework)
1:10:25 CSS Layers for siloing your libraries
================== EPISODE LINKS
Tony on X: https://x.com/tonyennis
Html First: https://html-first.com
Mini JS: https://mini-js.com
Base Styles: https://base-styles.com
Tony's talk at big Sky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aknX6xq8Vfg
Una at Google IO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCIStB6y8s
================== CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro to Tony
00:34 Tony's work at Really Good Software
02:17 "My whole thing though is ..."
05:03 The Platform and a Stylesheet talk
07:18 Html tag list
07:26 Una and the Chrome dev team making progress
09:10 Popovers
11:56 New UI Elements in Html 2023 vs 2025
12:34 Modal
15:48 select with selectedcontent tag
16:27 Multi-selects (they are still bad, but working on it)
16:50 datalist (autocomplete)
20:22 Async in HTML (replacing htmx?)
28:57 Where React is preferred
34:40 The Front-end spectrum -- Mini JS
45:52 Mini-js code example
50:43 Laz on why html is great at UI
52:30 Why a five-year-old can learn html
55:21 Building mobile apps with React Native and webviews
59:50 Server-driven web apps
1:05:45 Base styles (unreleased minimal CSS framework)
1:10:25 CSS Layers for siloing your libraries
